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Moninne Hardie
Re:
John L Richardson born 1847 McLennan Co. Tx
Author: Moninne Hardie Date: 29 Sep 2003 4:15 AM GMT
Classification: Query
In Reply to: John L Richardson born 1847 McLennan Co. Tx by: Mary Whittington
Anderson
Hi Mary,
You had asked at one point how I was related to John L. Richardson and
Austa T. Ellington. John and Austa had a son named William M Richardson
who had a son named William Howard Richardson...I am his grand-daughter.
This would make John and Austa my GGG Grandparents.
Moninne la_meika_dare@hotmail.com
Re:
shoeboots descendents
Author: Moninne Hardie Date: 30 Sep 2003 7:43 AM GMT
Classification: Query
In Reply to: shoeboots descendents by: Renee Perkins
Hi Renee,
I am related through Clarinda Ellingtons line...her son William Ellingtons
father was Shoeboots. Have you read a thesis by Tiya Miles "Bone
of my Bones"? Its about Shoeboots and his wife Daul, Doll ect.
after Clarinda goes back to KY.
I believe there is a posting somewhere....you are disapointed that
I did not respond to an email......if this was you - I am sorry. I was
in a serious automobile accident and have been in recovery for a while.
I hope to hear from you soon and learn if you have read that thesis.
Thanks, Moninne
Re:
shoeboots descendents
Author: Moninne Hardie Date: 30 Sep 2003 7:55 AM GMT
Classification: Query
In Reply to: shoeboots descendents by: Renee Perkins
Hi Renee,
I am related through Clarinda Ellingtons line...her son William Ellingtons
father was Shoeboots. Have you read a thesis by Tiya Miles "Bone
of my Bones"? Its about Shoeboots and his wife Daul, Doll ect.
after Clarinda goes back to KY.
My William Ellington was born October 17, 1798 and died October 13,
1893. He married Martha A. Long. Tiya Miles, I believe, speaks of a
William Ellington living in Bosque County, TX. This is also where I
find my William.
I believe there is a posting somewhere....you are disapointed that
I did not respond to an email......if this was you - I am sorry. I was
in a serious automobile accident and have been in recovery for a while.
I hope to hear from you soon and learn if you have read that thesis.
Thanks, Moninne
Renee Perkins
oldsettlers
chief Shoeboots/tishingo
Author: Renee Perkins Date: 28 Nov 2002
Board: Boards > Topics > Ethnic / Race > Native American
> Nations > Cherokee > Cherokee {Arkansas}
yes looking for info and family of Shoeboots. I see that some of the
Shoeboot family made it to AR . I would love to talk to some of them.
thank you renee
Re:
Chief Shoeboots/Tishingo
Author: michael Date: 16 Dec 2002
Board: Boards > Topics > Ethnic / Race > Native American
> Nations > Cherokee > Chickamauga > Chickamauga {General}
sorry, not a descendant of Shoeboot.Tishingo 'sounds" more like
a Chickasaw name, but I am not sure.there were a lot of name changes
so anything is possible.there was a William Shoe Boots who is ..
shoeboots
descendents
Author: Renee Perkins Date: 9 Jan 2003 12:22 AM GMT
Surnames: collins, ross , shoeboots ( boots)
Classification: Query
I am looking for all the children of Shoeboots born abt 1755.
we have so far
Elizabeth (Eliza Jane) Born 1809 in KY , lived in GA, TN? , OHio ,
MO. IN. AR. married a (john ?) ross about 1839, most children born
in OH.
William Born 1814 in KY married Louisa in AR I think.
he lived in Ga or TN? , AR and IN then ??? if he lived anywhere else.
maybe a Mary Polly born 1817 in VA? married a Robert ross in 1839.
most children born in IN. I can find alot of Boots family that look
like they might be related on censuses but not many that are for sure.
looking for all wives and any relations of Capt./chief shoeboots.
if you know of all of his wives I would really apreciate that info.
his relations can be any color W , NA or B.
anyway if your family is a boots and you know you have native blood.
I would like to talk to you. thank you renee
ridge/shoeboots
Author: Renee Perkins Date: 12 Dec 2002 3:59 PM GMT
Classification: Query
looking for Ridge family that knows the relationship between Chief
Shoeboots and John(?) Ridge who is Excutor of his Estate in 1829 IT
East according too Cherokee Phoenix .
trying to find Shoeboots/ Tahsee-yaw-ga/tuskingo family and a relationship
with another cherokee/ chickamauga chief, that great grandma said
he was related too. if you have any info that would help me I would
love to talk to you.
I believe I am related to his daughter (elizabeth) Eliza Jane but
having trouble confirming his children. does any one know where I
can get a copy of his will? thanks for any leads. none to great or
small!!! renee
Re:
Shoeboots & Ross
Author: Renee Perkins Date: 23 Aug 2003 7:46 AM GMT
Surnames: boots, ross, shoeboots
Classification: Query
In Reply to: Ancestry by: Cari(Ross)Lucansky
Cari
I have been watching this site for awhile. I don't know if you are
still around. but I wasn't able to respond to it. because I hadn't
totally proved out the family stories yet. I feel I have done that
well enough now that I can say.
First I take it your ross line has stories of Head cherokee chief's?
and what you and where does your paul say he is born on a census image.
you see twins runs in my cherokee family. Shoeboots was a twin male
female set of twins and he had a set of twin boys. and his grandson
had a set of twin boys and the father of him was a boy ?girl set of
twins. and they think that shoeboots nephew had twins too.
anyway lots of twins.
then we have the names of your twins.
Nionee Ollie is shoeboots mom's name ( attacullaculla is his dad and
dragging canoe, Dutch etc is his brothers) . Dolly is shoeboots last
wife's name.
elizabeth their oldest daughter had a set of boy/girl twins Robert
F Ross and Eliza Anne ross born 1848. indian names dasigiyagi and
chahwahyoocah ( as seen on the drennen roll) ( these names are the
same as shoeboots and his twins names) , then robert's son clarence
had a set of twin boys in Ca.
elizabeth's youngest brothers are a set of twin boys named lewis and
william.
Elizabeth Jane ( eliza, lizza jane) Shoeboots Married a (john?) Jordan
ross ( probably a part blood ( unknown tribe). her sister is mary
polly Boots. lots of mary's in the family too.
anyway I would need to see where and when your paul said he was born
to know how he might be related to shoeboots.
seeking
timpson /boot(s) cherokee cousins that ..
Author: Renee Perkins Date: 23 Sep 2003 3:38 PM GMT
Classification: Query
Know anything about the Timpson Cemetery in " pawpaw"
It looks like you all are related to my 3rd great uncle JOhn Shoeboots
born 1814 in GA. to Shoeboots and Dolly. I have tons of info on shoeboots
from family stories, have most of his kids but still working on his
first wife/wives. and I have most of his indian names, not just the
white ones or those known to whites thus those most documented. I
am from Elizabeth jane ( eliza jane) shoeboots/boots/boot (Married
Jordon Ross) 1042 on drennen, her sister mary polly is next door 1043.
can't find mary polly's kids names. she looks to have all daughters
, anyone have a clue?
I would love to visit the Timpson cemetery and see if MY ggg grandmother
is out there. I talk to you soon
renee
Shoeboots
aka Turtle at home aka White owls son aka tishingo/tuskingo ( horse)
and many more
Author: Renee Perkins Date: 6 Aug 2003 3:12 PM GMT
Classification: Query
Shoeboots father was Attacullaculla and Nionee was his mom and dragging
canoe was his brother. Chahwahyoocah/Taketesky/ also Lila( Lilly)
Concene was his sister and his twin. other sister Peggy may be the
one that married principle chief Black fox. if I have this wrong then
peggy is chahwayyoocah and liily married blackfox but I don't think
that it the way it went.
anyway shoeboots and first wife(s) was would of been having children
from 1775 to 1795 or so. but shoeboots states " he has no other
children in the nation in 1824" so any children of shoeboots
would be dead or missing from the nation in THat year for sure. not
that they didn't come back after selling reservations etc.
One of shoeboots daughters from this or these early marriages married
a BOggs moved to creek territory I believe.
now for the reasons I give this info.
Chief Lloyd welsh ( dasigiyagi) uses a personal name of shoeboots
. this would most diffinately point to him being related too shoeboots.
then Elizabeth jane shoeboots uses the name elizabeth welsh after
coming back from slavery in 1835. she is on her dad farm and her sister
mary polly is there too. she was probably afraid to use any name that
would link her too her black heritage at that point. so probably used
a close relations name. but she is diffinately on her Dads farm on
the Etowah river.
there is also the name Occuna clan that follows the cherokee welches
around . this would point to their grand fathers and relations Attacullaculla
, Ocanstota , old hop, and raven .
anyway I give you this info for you to know that somehow there is
a link between the cherokee indian welches/welshes and shoeboots and
his direct family relations.
Have fun!! renee
Shoeboots
Author: Renee Perkins Date: 26 Nov 2002 4:38 PM GMT
Classification: Query
I am searching for decendents of Shoeboots. suposedly Lloyd welsh
( I don't know that name, really but I have read that some say that
was his white name )
I am hoping that he is a relation. I have possible info about his
boots from my great grandma, that his family might want to know.
also seeking info as to if he was born in KY and was in Va or ohio
at any point in his life. also seeking his wifes name and when she
died. thank you renee
Re:
Chief Bowles/Duwali and the Old Settlers
Author: Renee Perkins Date: 30 Nov 2002 5:00 AM GMT
Classification: Query
In Reply to: Re: Chief Bowles/Duwali and the Old Settlers by: Donald
Higgins
Hi Donald
I just saw your name, at thanks giving this year I was talking to
some freidns and agreed to look up the name higginbothum for them
as word was they were blackfoot. which is really saponi/souix. so
are you a higginbothum from Texas and MO before that?
Oh no trouble on you not knowing my folks. I just wanted to know if
oldsettlers were indeed in yell CO. because some of Shoeboots are
on a old settlers rolls. and I don't know if that is just AR or AR
and texas or what. but old settlers were in yell CO. I belive my Shoeboots
was a chickamauga and born in KY. but I can't prove much yet! just
got family stories so far.
so that is great that there were cherokee in Yell CO. that might help
me make more family connections.
also I think the Dameron mentioned are really Cameron. but they changed
it after the war, at least for awhile. starr seems to know about them
but doesn't list them in his genealogy pages. oh well ! thanks for
the help though. oh other places that my family were in AR was Lafeyette
CO and
Lonaoke (sp?) and jackson CO. I know jackson had lots of natives that
moved through it, don't know if amany actually stayed there but lots
of folks moved through there. MY family did moved to Yell CO first
I figured there almost had to be some connections or relations there.
thanks again
Re:
Chief Bowles/Duwali and the Old Settlers
Author: Renee Perkins Date: 30 Nov 2002 11:45 AM GMT
Classification: Query
In Reply to: Re: Chief Bowles/Duwali and the Old Settlers by: Marilyn
Dunn-Jenkins
can YOu explain to me the relationship of Yell CO and the old settlers.
MY ggg gandmother died in yell CO. I know she is daughter of Shoeboots
through unknown( well can't remember wife), But I think! from family
stories that shoeboots is related to either dragging canoe or springfrog.
I know where my ggg grandma dies. what relations or other cherokee
families would she have moved there to be with in about 1880? she
moves there with her daughter who married a J W Dameron born in Texas.
Catherine (Ross) White married him in IN around 1875 ( starr refferences
a Dameron in yell CO, but nothing else is mentioned about the lines)
, thanks for any leads. I do have where MY jane dies but it is in
my netscape file and which is crashed right now. if you have census
look up , search for Jw dameron, and Catherine ( I think she is listed
as Kate there) and two children , Noble L Ross born 1845 in OH , and
Jane Ross born 1809 in KY. that might give you a place to look. I
know her husband or her son was in Quantrill raiders and so they have
to be with Indian folks, or where indians and outlaws are safe from
hassle<LOL> renee
william
Allenton/Ellington son of Shoeboots
Author: Renee Perkins Date: 30 Nov 2002 11:17 AM GMT
Classification: Query
I am looking for information on Chief Shoeboots his daughter claims
he is born in KY.
a few Shoeboots ( does anyone know what name they may have used later,
I think MY g grandma said something about a name that sounded like
shoemaker) are listed on Old Settlers Rolls. and A william Allenton
according to Cherokee VRs William Stephens ( nephew of Allenton) that
his uncle claims money's as an old settler. they clain cherokee by
blood through Shoeboots/tuskingo/Tahsee-key-yaw-ga. according to these
papers he dies before 1835, it states A Noted chief of the cherokee
and with the creeks and in the war of 1812.
seeking info on Shoeboots and next wife after Clarinda Ellington.
any help would be more than appeciated
does anyone have any surnames dates that would help me on this search
for info. thank you
Re:
Chief Shoeboots/Tishingo
Author: Renee Perkins Date: 16 Dec 2002 6:17 AM GMT
Classification: Query
In Reply to: Re: Chief Shoeboots/Tishingo by: michael
Hello Michael
are you a relation of his? do you know if I can get his war records?
or did that just start at the civil war? and he is listed as what
in 1812. "the Boots" ? I am trying to locate his children.
I believe he is my gggg grandfather.
I also checked your listings from other message Boards and they have
dragging canoe as chelio ( or something like that) . that is also
a name
simular to the one that this new book out about shoeboots calls him
( my cousin is reading it for me) while I keep look for things that
might trigger the memories of the things that where told to me by
my great grandma . Chulio I think it says in this book is one of his
many names. I have read on the net he takes the name welch, but I
have found a thing that his kids take that name, do you know about
the welch name? But anyway I am trying to remember which other great
warrior he is a close relation with. My great grandma told me but
I don't know for sure now who she said it was . they were all just
funny names to me back then. if you are a relation of his I would
love to talk to you more.
some of the names she mentioned in her stories at one time or another
were, the ridge, dragging canoe, greenwood laflore, springfrog, brock,
some shawnee chiefs maybe chainbreaker , but anyway I think he had
a very close relation that was also a very powerful cherokee and ?
war chief also.
would you know who this close relation of his is? do you understand
the possible tuscarora connected to his names , and who his brother/father/
cousin or close relation anyway is ?
I know that JOhn Ridge is named as one of the excutors of his estate.
I am just trying to put names and places to the stories passed down
to me, but I have forgot more than I remember I'm afraid. thanks for
any leads as to more info on him and his children? renee
Re:
Chief Shoeboots/Tishingo
Author: Renee Perkins Date: 16 Dec 2002 3:49 PM GMT
Classification: Query
In Reply to: Re: Chief Shoeboots/Tishingo by: michael
yes Michael <LOL> so far I have these names for him.
Tahsee-key-yaw-ga
shoeboots
chulio shoeboots
tuskingo
Da-si-gi-yi-gi
Tuscarorgi ( or something like that, on LDS strange names section
)shoeboots.
and maybe Lloyd welch
so I guess I can add just "shoe" and "Boots"
to the possible list of things to, and a meriad of spellings on these.
:-((((( <LOL>
suposedly according to LDS one of his children takes the
Tuscarora name. and according to LDS eliza shoeboots is on the 1835
removal rolls in TN or GA. but I can't find that either, it isn't
on the web lists. and how LDS got the info I don't know. I have requested
info from Muskogee Library for her.
Yes MY grandma did say that she had chickasaw in her , I haven't
been able to find it either. I suppose it is on her CoLLins/saponi
( eastern souian) side of her family, and no one else alive now remembers
it. it was so far back . But it could be back there with shoeboots
too I guess too. I know he is related to one of the cheifs that grandma
mentioned. I just can't remember who is more famous Brother? father?
uncle? is
but for now I am suspect that when He was with the creek he called
himself something meaning "chief" or "king" and
when he was with the shawnee the same thing. I do know that some shoeboots
descendents show up in Colbert AL I think in about 1870's. which is
sort of the chickasaw area I would guess by the name of the town .
I do know that from family stories it is possible that he has some
blood of ( something related to mohawk but harder to say <LOL>
and even harder to remember for a kid) so now I guess that I have
felt that the tuscarora was a possibility.
On the 1817 removal application. do you know if that person made it
to the west?
I have a confusing bunch of info in my head about times of removals
and or attempts at them. My great grandma said that her ggreat grandma
died on a removal, and stress things like " different trails
over different times" and I don't remember how different it was
. I am sure she said it was at a different time. but can't make that
make sense either. I know she had it right but dang I don't remember
what she said.
wow thank you so much.
YOu know someone said something few days ago. and I thought I would
ask you about it.
they said that they think they remember that shoeboots was reported
that during a battle he crowed like a chicken.
I remember that, but can't remember if I read that about someone else
in this last year of doing reading about everything indian or if greatgrandma
said that about him.
do YOu know if this act is record for any other WAR "chief".
I know it fits the family persona of him.
I really do appreciate all your info, it has been very helpful. thank
you again for all your help, I am sure that it will help get me the
info I seek. renee
Re:
Chief Shoeboots/Tishingo
Author: michael Date: 16 Dec 2002 2:03 AM GMT
Surnames: boot
Classification: Query
In Reply to: Re: Chief Shoeboots/Tishingo by: Renee Perkins
yep, tuscorora, natchez, eastern sioux, delaware, the possibities
are endless.one thing that struck me was the mention of shoe boots
'crowing' like a rooster as a war cry??could it have been a turkey
gobble?this was a traditional war cry of the Cherokee as I recall.....there
were numerous emigrations besides the infamous Trail of Tears of 1838-39.....some
documented, some not....he could have been on any one of them.....regarding
the reservation roll of 1817, there were 2 "Boots", one
named Boot and one named Tom Boot.most of these folks did not go thru
with the emigration, things got fouled up and they got disgusted and
just stayed put or went west and came back.let me peruse those other
surnames you posted and i will get back to you.MW
Re:
Chief Shoeboots/Tishingo
Author: Renee Perkins Date: 17 Dec 2002 7:51 PM GMT
Classification: Query
In Reply to: Re: Chief Shoeboots/Tishingo by: michael
Thank you so much for the help, I do appreciate it .
Yes Shoe Boots dies I think in 1829, so he won't be there for sure.
and JOhn ridge and Thomas Woodard are the executors of the estate.
on the last message you mentioned a Tom Boots, I wonder if this is
the same man as Thomas woodard , I will check this out. and see what
woodard folks are saying, and if the Woodard name Just appears in
cherokee nation east around 1825.
I was going to check the welches as soon as I can.
I have orded from the library those listed as "shoeboots"
as I know for sure they are related. researching the welch names may
take awhile. so there seems to be quite a few hun?
But I need to figure out all of the possible names that my ( eliza(beth)?)
jane shoeboots could take in order to find when she married her husband,
I just pray she didn't marry(?) or take a name from a Father of maybe
possible children , as she is old enough to have kids by 1835. I haven't
found her between 1835 ( removal roll ) untill after the civil war
in 1870 census ( from her son's civil war papers) and her kids are
all grown up , the first time I for sure have her is from her son's
civil war papers, they say she shows up in IN. with some of her kids.
so I have four of her ( out of unknown numbers of children) I know
she and her husband went to MO around just before the civil war, as
one of her son't signs up there, one may have been born there in about
1861 so he would be the youngest son , and her son MY gg grandpa signed
up in IN> in 1864 but I can't find them before the civil war till
I Know for sure I have the fathers first name correct. I know she
is in OH and maybe the border between IN and ohio probably when most
of her older kids are born, but can't find her, as I don't have great
great grandpa's birthplace or a possitive on her husbands first name
yet.
Re:
Chief Shoeboots/Tishingo
Author: Renee Perkins Date: 21 Dec 2002 11:38 PM GMT
Classification: Query
In Reply to: Re: Chief Shoeboots/Tishingo by: Bobby Waits
Hello Bobby
I am trying to find out if Thomas Woodard is some relation to Chief
shoeboots. a Boot woodard/woodward is in the civil war in WATIE regiment
( thus the son of John ridge) many years after this. so we are wondering
if they are related, or not all to each other, or what.
Thomas woodard and John Ridge are maybe executors of shoeboots estate
as seen here.
at this location
http://www.wcu.edu/library/CherokeePhoenix/narrative.htm
I am looking for relatives and relations of shoeboots. shoot can't
find anyone.
Re:
Chief Shoeboots/Tishingo
Author: Renee Perkins Date: 28 Mar 2003 7:55 AM GMT
Surnames: shoeboots (boots ,ross) collins, skinner.
Classification: Query
In Reply to: Re: Chief Shoeboots/Tishingo by: Julie Douglas White
HI julie
hum sounds like you might have found your family as I doubt their
are many granville names around.
so you aren't related directly to shoeboots?
darn I had hoped to find some cousins to help me with this.
well there is some bad info out there from a guy named Payne , who
was a playwriter and got things so messed up and fancifully wrong,
they may never be fixable. the key to who shoeboots really is in his
many times very well documented cherokee name Dasigiyagi. Shoeboots
is just his white name that stuck. it seems that he is known by Tuskingo
by the Creek, it took me a long time to figure out what language it
was because shoeboots has somekind of interaction with every nation
just about. at one time or another I think <LOL> but when I
did find it, I found another name that I knew him to be, Horse, it
was worth the hunt. anyway good luck on your own family search. renee
Re:
Chief Shoeboots/Tishingo
Author: Renee Perkins Date: 9 Oct 2003 11:05 PM GMT
Classification: Query
In Reply to: Re: Chief Shoeboots/Tishingo by: Bobby Waits
HI booby first time I have been able to get at this site for a long
time. I am sorry that I haven't responded . but if your thomas woodard
is cherokee and his mom or grandma was susan wolf or sonicooie then
you might want to get the bone of my bone thesis by Tia miles .I list
address for it on a few pages south of here. hope that helps. renee.
Re:
John Ross/Quantrill's Raiders/Emily Scholl/Lobb
Posted by: renee perkins (ID *****3816) Date: March 18, 2003 at 23:48:26
In Reply to: Re: John Ross/Quantrill's Raiders/Emily Scholl/Lobb by
renee perkins of 9636
well I found most of the family of my John Ross who's mother KIlled
her husband with a rolling pin in self defense.
her father was Chief shoeboots son or grandson of Attacullaculla ,
son of or brother or Nephew of but lived life close to Dragging Canoe.
MY john ross's mother's indian name is Kahuga =Roseberry on the 1817
cherokee immigration roll.
she is Eliza Shoeboots on the removal roll.
she is Lizza Boots on the 1852 DRennen roll.
her kids listed on the drennen roll with her are
ailse this would be an indian spelling of the name Elzia ( elzy) =
probably MY john ross born 1835
sally = probably Katherine born 1842
LOtty = maybe noble L or a sister?1845
Morrison Boots ( maybe noble or unknown brother) signs with Watie's
mounted rifles.
dasigiyagi = Robert Ross born 1848 to 50 signs as "boots' in
mounted rifles too but according to family legend is dismounted for
being too young to serve.
he later signs with the north in IN and OH. but they are in IT when
he is young. and John isn't there then, or would have signed with
a cherokee regiment.
robert names his second son after his favorite oldest brother, Elzia
shortened too Elzy.
It looks like JOHn isn't the son of a john ross, it looks like he
is a son of George Lavender and it looks like john when he was a baby
and his mother were bought back from slavery by Major Chief John Ridge
and two of shoeboots sisters Peggy and Lucy. they finally convince
George lavender to sell them back Elizabeth jane for the sum of 2000
dollars in 1836 John would have been one year old or so , it appears
he is born in july from censuses. after Geogia over rules all cherokee
law and imposes it;s own one drop of slave blood = a slave laws on
all children of slaves or ex slaves that were freed by the cherokee.
by the way elizabeth my John's mom is listed as white and called a
"Yellow nigress" in some slave records, so she is reddish/blondish.
all ( I have found outside of IT) of shoeboots kids are listed as
white in censuses. and her son robert is listed in his civil war papers
as 5''7" and brown hair and blue eyes, medium complexion.
shoeboots wife Dolly gets bounty land from shoeboots ( a Battlion
leader at horseshoe bend) 120 acres in MO in 1858 and it looks like
the HAMMER family(cousins) and JOhn move to MO about then. I am searching
for the place the bounty land was exactly . shoeboots is a captian
in many wars and signs many treaties, is interpeter for a few Principle
Chiefs. like Pathkiller his probably grandfather at least by a sort
of adoption.
it looks like the HAmmer family also have up close and personal knowledge
of the James family too, so my John couldn't have been far from where
his cousins were also.
anyway I have most of these dates etc from documents, thesises, Books
etc but got TO these documents in a space of three motnhs because
I was told these stories by my great grandma who was the great granddaughter
of shoeboots , she who lived next door to and road the horses of a
JOhn Ross who rode with the james brothers and other "out laws"
in the civil war and she rode horses that John raised, Morgan horses
from a horse he got in the war. I knew many of the stories of shoeboots
in these books, why because she told me the stories about my family.
when I rtold her this should be a movie she told me that I only knew
part of the story and she told me how Elizabeth killed her husband
in self defense. it didn't register right with me at that age and
I told her " eliza Jane should have used a fry pan it would have
worked better". well she got mad at me to say the least, and
I hid that info from my self for 30 years.
anyway so far I am trying to figure out who Harriette is
and as far as Emily saying she is widowed in 1870 or 1880 census ,
well if you lived back then and wanted to EVER remarry and with her
being a GOOD christian woman would you claim to be " Divorced"
, she would have died first before putting divorced ? especially if
you didn't know you could ever get a legal divorce, because you had
no clue where he was..... it would be way better to appear to be a
war widow than a" DIVORCED Woman" . women would have done
and did do the very same thing.
anyway this whole thing has me totally confused. if we don't have
the same JOhn Ross then who the heck is saying that john was killed
by his wife in self defense with a rolling pin. as that is my families
story. if they are the same then who the heck is Harriette. or was
that statement a sort of indian thing as older indian women in a clan
were all called mothers.
and if your John ross does show up after emily says she is a widow
then I can prove that my John is moving from IN to AR in the early
1880's before the census in AR and ( his last son that I know of because
1890 census is missing) named George also is born in IN later 1879.
so he is moving when "ross and emily" came to see someone
(does anyone else find it odd that "ross" is used the way
it is, if it was either a common occurence or a close friend or relation?
wouldn't they have just used their first names ? it had to be a bit
odd occurence for them to even mention it, and odder they said it
the way they did.) but he is close enough to show up in MO. maybe
even gave emily a legal divorce. . I live in MO, hummm maybe I will
go this summer and look and see if there is a legal divorce, she doesn't
marry till after that does she?
. and I am still going to try to find him in MO before 1860 on Dolly
boots land as soon as I find exactly where the land is in MO.. and
the history of the land etc , he would be abt 24 when he moved to
MO.
anyway this is driving me nuts! that this is so confused and folks
are telling my family stories intermixed with your family stories
and visaversy, something is just weird. so folks or writers wrote
or told stuff that was just wrong or a deception of somekind . this
is the only thing I have found that sort of!!!! look s like my great
grandma was wrong on!!! but maybe I am remembing things wrong, but
this was an easy simple story compared to some of shoeboots stories
and hisfamilies indian names etc that I had to remember! so how come
I got those and not this one remembered correctly.
anyway anything you can do to help clear up this mess would more than
be appreciated!! or maybe the least get me in contact with those of
your relatives that claim your emily killed her John with a rolling
pin because they are probably relations of Elizabeth Jane Shoeboot's
son John Ross . thanks renee
Re:
John Ross/Quantrill's Raiders/Emily Scholl/Lobb
Posted by: renee perkins (ID *****3816) Date: April 04, 2003 at 12:57:05
In Reply to: Re: John Ross/Quantrill's Raiders/Emily Scholl/Lobb by
renee perkins of 9636
well I just found another older brother listed on an application
to the cherokee nation. A Claude is listed there and I still have
to find him and his white identity but chances are he is the son of
George Lavender if he is the oldest child , My guess is he is a George,
this would make MY John Son of a pureblood?highblood called Okilune
Furgeson which I have no idea who he is , and what happened to him
during the removal. as elizabeth married someone else right after
that it seems a MORTON ( ross?) but just morton is listed on this
application to the cherokee. but she does have one (child as the only
one that would match age wise is JOHN)) before the removal By this
cherokee man. I don't know if he is killed or detained during that
time, or just what happened to him. on the drennen roll most of the
kids in the household seem to be going by their mothers maiden name
of Boots. I am in the process of looking for this Claude Boots or
Ross or maybe Lavender maybe just George. renee
Re:
shoeboots/grandson William Stephens
Posted by: renee perkins (ID *****3816) Date: November 29, 2002 at
17:11:14
In Reply to: shoeboots/ Tah-see-key-yaw-ga /tuskingo by renee perkins
of 5942
William Stephans Vrs Cherokee Nation
claims Shoeboots dies before 1835 roll. he claims relations by blood
are on all cherokee censuses and on the old settlers rolls his Uncle
William Allenton son of Shoeboots and Clarinda Ellington. he claims
shoeboots to be in the war of 1812 and a well known cherokee and well
known by the Creeks.
I have ShoeBoots stories I would love to compare/confirm with relations
of his that know about his Boots.
I believe I am a relative of him from a wife that came after Clarinda
Ellington. I need to verify family stories with anyone who knows His
story. thank you renee
Julie Douglas
White
Re:
Shoeboots
Author: Julie Douglas White Date: 11 Feb 2003 10:09 PM GMT
Classification: Query
In Reply to: Shoeboots by: Renee Perkins
I am related to Shoe Boots wife Clarinda Ellington (Allington) through
her brother David. I have a family tree posted at ancestory.com called
Douglas, Snedegar, Jones, Williams. Clarinda was captured by the indians
at Morgans Station, Ky 4/1/1793. She was kept there 12 years by the
Chief Chulio Shoe Boots, who took her as a wife. They had 3 children,
2 sons, and 1 daughter. Clarinda died bet. 1842-1845.
Re:
Shoeboots
Author: Julie Douglas White Date: 11 Feb 2003 10:12 PM GMT
Classification: Query
In Reply to: Shoeboots by: Renee Perkins
There is a book out called "Daughter Of SHiloh" by Ilene
Sheperd Smiddy that is excellent concerning the story behind Clarinda
and Chief Chulio Shoe Boots. Ilene has done extensive research for
a very long time now and has been given a rave review for her work.
jewhite1@hotmail.com
Re:
william Allenton/Ellington son of Shoeboots
Author: Julie Douglas White Date: 11 Feb 2003 11:39 AM GMT
Classification: Query
In Reply to: william Allenton/Ellington son of Shoeboots by: Renee
Perkins
Chief Shoe Boots had several different names. One is Chief Chulio
Shoe Boots, Tuscorosa, and Tuskingo. Chief "Chulio was born between
1752-1756 and died an aged Chief in 1829." This is according
to Ilene's research, so I would say it is accurate. Hope this helps.
Re:
william Allenton/Ellington son of Shoeboots
Author: Julie Douglas White Date: 11 Feb 2003 11:32 AM GMT
Classification: Query
In Reply to: william Allenton/Ellington son of Shoeboots by: Renee
Perkins
I am related to the Ellingtons/Allentons by Clarinda's brother David.
I have a family tree posted at ancestory.com called Douglas, Snedegar,
Jones, Williams if your interested. I have Ellingtons back to the
1500's. There is a book out also called "Daughter Of Shiloh"
by Ilene Sheperd Smiddy. Ilene bases it on many facts that she has
researched about the family for at least the past 30 yrs. You can
order it by calling 1-888-280-7715.
Re:
Chief Shoeboots/Tishingo
Author: Julie Douglas White Date: 11 Feb 2003 10:55 PM GMT
Surnames: Ellingtons, Jones, Snedegars, Rogers, Williams, Dawson
Classification: Query
In Reply to: Re: Chief Shoeboots/Tishingo by: Renee Perkins
Hi Renee. I found your posting at another site, but don't know if
you will get it or not. I am a descendent of Clarinda Ellington's
family. She is the one that was Shoe Boots wife. I have also been
told he may have taken on the Ellington (Allington/Allerton) name.
Not sure on that though. In my other posting I advised you that I
do have a family tree at ancestory.com. Clarinda was born abt. 1782.
The other posting I had give you her death date of bet. 1842-45 in
Mo. If you read the book "Daughter Of shiloh" you will find
some interesting on both of them. Cheif Shoe Boots mother was french
and her name was Maria. I have been researching my family tree and
keep ending up in Kentucky, Tenn. Mo, and Ark. I have a John Rogers
in my family who had a son by the name of Granville. I was floored
when I read this book called "The Trail of Tears" about
a chief John Rogers, whose son Granville was murdered. My John Rogers
had a son by the name of Granville. So many family names, and my father
told me we had some Cherokee, but I know it's not from where your
searching. I am related in this area by Clarinda's brother David,
not Shoe Boots. I keep finding these Rogers, Dawson, and Williams,
and Jones. I have also seen these names on the Dawes Rolls, but not
sure how to make the connection. My greatgrandmother Cynthia Rogers
is in there 6 different times, but I saw her grandfather Jesse Manus
once. Don't know how much we can help each other, or what. jewhite1@hotmail.com
Re:
Chief Shoeboots/Tishingo
Author: Julie Douglas White Date: 11 Feb 2003 11:12 PM GMT
Classification: Query
In Reply to: Re: Chief Shoeboots/Tishingo by: Renee Perkins
I have some information concering Chief Shoe Boots and Clarinda Ellingtons
children. They are William, Sarah (Sallie) and John Shoe Boots (Shu-Boots)
Sally married a Stevens (Stephens) and her son William Stephens applied
for citizenship w/ the Cherokee Nation CHM-58. Before the Cherokee
Commission on Citizenship Fort Gibson, Cher Nation April 22nd 1879.
Shows his mother's maiden name as Sarah Allenton, who was the daughter
of Clarinda Allenton. They spelled it a few different ways. It says
Clarinda was married to a well-known Cherokee named Shoe-Boots whos
Indian name was well known in the War of 1812 w/ the Creeks and the
U.S. When Clarinda left w/ their children Chulio (Shoe Boots) considered
them dead, but when he was old himself, changed his words, concerned
about the children. It says teh Claimant's own Uncle WIlliam Allenton,
now living in Bosque Co. near Clifton Mills, Tx. was recognized as
a Cherokee by the Old Settler Cherokees and drew Per Capita as such
at their payment of 1851-2 for himself and family and to the record
of such fact as well as to himself. refers his uncle (Claimants) being
recognized as the son of Shu-Boots.
Re:
Chief Shoeboots/Tishingo
Author: Julie White Date: 1 Oct 2003 11:27 PM GMT
Classification: Query
In Reply to: Re: Chief Shoeboots/Tishingo by: Mary Whittington Anderson
I believe we do have a connection. I have Austa Tennessee daighter
of William Ellington. Spelling different than you have Osta T. I did
not have birthdate, but did add it by what you have. I have a family
tree at ancestry.com w/ all my Ellington information. There was a
lady I had been in contact with in Texas. Believe her last name is
Shoonover. Is she a relative to you? I am tied through the Ellington's
through Clarinda's brother David. I also have ties to Richardson's,
but not sure if yours is the same one on my mother's side of the family.
There are 3 John Richardson's in a row, then son Benson Richardson
from Columbia, Maury County, Tn. Have seen a John Richardson also
in census record's in Ky. But this could be due to the boundries changing
so much back then too. It is nice to hear from you. I have wondered
where the Ellington's went to that are connected w/ Clarinda and Shoeboots.
He is buried in Rome, Georgia. I do speak w/ a lady that wrote a book
on this particuliar story. Her name is Ilene Shepard Smiddy, and the
book is called Daughter Of Shiloh.
Re:
Chief Shoeboots/Tishingo
Author: Julie White Date: 10 Oct 2003 3:59 PM GMT
Surnames: Ellington, Snedegar, Jones, Richardson, Douglas, Rogers,
Williams, Dawson, Childress, Manus/Maness, Mullinax
Classification: Query
In Reply to: Re: Chief Shoeboots/Tishingo by: Renee Perkins
Hi Renee,
Thank you for the information. I checked the site out and was suprised
to see the Author Donald Panther Yates. We have been coming across
his genealogy information a lot while searching for one of my husband's
ancestors, Jonathan Yates, whose daughter is Eliza Jemima Anna Yates
(greatgrandmother). He has several Cherokee surnames that we have
been trying to research, such as Fouts, Belew, Gibbons, and Zinn's.
You can just look at him and see the Cherokee. (They sure are a handsome
bunch). Ilene is a real sweetheart. I have family in Missouri, but
was unable to stop and visit her while I was there. I also have a
lot of family from Kentucky. I also found my Jones are connected to
the Ellington's, and if you look in Harry Enoch's book called "In
Search Of Morgan's Station, and The Last Indian Raid In Kentucky"
page 60 it refers to "The Allington's (Ellington's) were always
believed to have some Negro blood in them. In some it showed pretty
plain." Back then, a lot of times indians were mistaken, and
called negros I have been learning. Will have to check out the book
your referring to. Sounds interesting. Thank you again, Julie
Mary Whittington
Anderson
Re:
Chief Shoeboots/Tishingo
Author: Mary Whittington Anderson Date: 1 Oct 2003
Board: Boards > Topics > Ethnic / Race > Native American >
Nations > Cherokee > Chickamauga > Chickamauga {General}
I have identified my 2nd Great Grandparents as William and Martha Ellingtion
of Bosque County Texas. William was born October 17, 1798 and died October
13, 1893 and Martha was born February 22, ...
Re:
Chief Shoeboots/Tishingo
Author: Mary Whittington Anderson Date: 2 Oct 2003
Board: Boards > Topics > Ethnic / Race > Native American >
Nations > Cherokee > Chickamauga > Chickamauga {General}
Osta T. Ellington is what is on the 1870 census for the daughter of
William and Martha Ellington. We know my great grandmother as Austa
Tennesse Ellington Richardson whom died in Coleman County ...
Re:
Chief Shoeboots/Tishingo
Author: Mary Whittington Anderson Date: 13 Oct 2003
Board: Boards > Topics > Ethnic / Race > Native American >
Nations > Cherokee > Chickamauga > Chickamauga {General}
Renee Thank you for your message. We have ordered the BOne of my BOne,
and Daughter of Shiloh. Can you explain the connection to the "Trustee
of Georgia" connection to Shoeboot? You said ...
Re:
William R. Ellington and Martha A. Long
Author: May Whittington Anderson Date: 29 Sep 2003 5:34 PM GMT
Surnames: Ellington Richardson Whittington
Classification: Query
In Reply to: Re: William R. Ellington and Martha A. Long by: Bruce Wiland
My G Grandmother's name was Austa Tennessee Ellington who was born on
November 09, 1854. I suspect that Osta T. (1854) you list for the 1870
census is her. She married John L Richardson about 1874 and in the 1880
census they live about 6 houses from William and Martha. One or both
of Austa's parents are claimed to be of Indian hertiage.
I noticed that John and Martha's graves have a "Perpetual Care
Sign" and are fenced in. Do you have any information about whom
cares for the grave or what the sign signifies?
Thank you for your help, I do appericate it very much.
Mary Whittington Anderson
adunits@pair.com
William
R. Ellington and Martha A. Long
Author: Mary Whittington Anderson Date: 26 Sep 2003 1:05 AM GMT
Surnames: Richardson Ellington Long
Classification: Query
Looking for William R. Ellington and Martha A. Long’s ancestors.
William R. Ellington was born October 17, 1798 in Georgia, and died
October 13, 1893 in Bosque County, Texas. He married Martha A. Long
Bef. 1854, daughter of Unknown and unkown. She was born February 22,
1828 in Virginia, and died October 02, 1895 in Bosque County, Texas.
More About Martha A. Long:
Burial: Boggy Cemetery, German Valley, Bosque County, Texas
Children of William Ellington and Martha Long are:
2 i. Austa Tennessee3 Ellington, born November 09, 1854 in Bell,Texas;
died September 02, 1930 in Glenn Cove or Talpa, Texas. She married John
L Richardson Bef. 1874 in Texas, son of Unknown Richardson and Unknown
Hart.
3 ii. William Ellington, born 1859 in Texas.
4 iii. Mary Ellington, born 1861 in Tx.
5 iv. Iva Ellington, born 1863 in Texas.
6 v. George Ellington, born 1866 in Texas.
Re:
William R. Ellington and Martha A. Long
Author: Bruce Wiland Date: 29 Sep 2003 3:15 PM GMT
Classification: Query
In Reply to: William R. Ellington and Martha A. Long by: Mary Whittington
Anderson
Mary,
I can't help you much with the ancestors but I can give you a little
supplemental information on this family. William and Martha had additional
children besides the ones you mentioned. In the 1870 Bosque census,
the following are listed under William and Martha: Rebecca (b.ca1843),
Abraham (b.1849), Osta T. (b.1854), Safrona (b.1857), William (b.1858),
Mary E. (b.1861), and George A. (b.1865). Additionally, three other
children are listed after these: Francis (b.ca1860), Mary T. (b.ca1862),
and William (b.1867).
These last three are probably children of a brother to William Ellington,
but I have no idea what the brother's name might be.
In a separate household, but living next to William is a Nancy Ellington
(b.ca1849) with a child Martha (age 7 months). This is probably a wife
to one of his sons (son's name unknown).
Interestingly, Iva (who is in the 1880 census) is not listed in the
1870 census for some reason.
William and Martha also had an adopted son named Charles who was supposedly
the son of one of William's sisters. Charles' natural father was Cherokee.
Bruce Wiland
John
L Richardson born 1847 McLennan Co. Tx
Author: Mary Whittington Anderson Date: 26 Sep 2003 10:39 PM GMT
Surnames: Richardson Ellington Long
Classification: Query
Looking for parents and ancestors of John L Richardson below. His wife's
parents are buried in German Valley, Boggy Ceomety, Bosque County
1. John L Richardson was born 1847 in McLennan County Texas, and died
July 13, 1929 in Glenn Cove or Talpa, Texas. He married Austa Tennessee
Ellington Bef. 1874 in Texas, daughter of William Ellington and Martha
Long. She was born November 09, 1854 in Bell,Texas, and died September
02, 1930 in Glenn Cove or Talpa, Texas.
Notes for John L Richardson:
Informant was J.A. Gray for death certificate of John L. Richardson.
Masonic, and Confederate Soldier during Civil War.
The children names were taken from the 1880 Bosque County and 1910 Coleman
County Census forms.
1880 Cenus Census Place E.D. 10, Bosque, Texas
Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's
Birthplace Mother's Birthplace
John RICHARDSON Self M Male W 33 TX Farmer MS AR
Ansta RICHARDSON Wife M Female W 25 TX Keeping House KY MO
Jourgey RICHARDSON Dau S Female W 6 TX TX TX
Lorga RICHARDSON Son S Male W 4 TX TX TX
William RICHARDSON Son S Male W 3 TX TX TX
Ivanana RICHARDSON Dau S Female W 6M TX TX TX
Luis WHITE Other S Male W 15 TX Farm Laborer --- AR
Source Information:
Census Place E.D. 10, Bosque, Texas
Family History Library Film 1255291
NA Film Number T9-1291
Page Number 384B
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On the 1910 census they said they had 12 children and all 12 were living.
Children of John Richardson and Austa Ellington are:
2 i. Jourgey Richardson, born 1874.
3 ii. Lorga Richardson, born 1876.
4 iii. William M. Richardson, born September 28, 1877 in Texas; died
February 24, 1954 in Los Angeles,Los Angeles,California.
5 iv. Ivanana "Iva" Richardson, born 1880 in Bosque, Texas.
6 v. Charles "Charlie" Richardson, born 1883.
7 vi. Ross Richardson, born 1884.
8 vii. Lillie Maude Richardson, born December 19, 1891 in Oklahoma;
died November 21, 1961 in Coleman Texas Nursing Home.
More About Lillie Maude Richardson:
Burial: Talpa Cemetery
9 viii. Louise Suphronia "Lula/Lou" Richardson, born March
19, 1894 in Oklahoma; died July 12, 1974 in Hospital Coleman, Texas.
10 ix. Stella May Richardson, born 1897.
11 x. James B. Richardson, born 1900.
Thank you for any help.
Mary Whittington Anderson
adunits@pair.com
Re:
Martha Long
Author: Mary Whittington Anderson Date: 25 Sep 2003 4:13 AM GMT
Surnames: Whittington Richardson Ellington Long
Classification: Query
In Reply to: Martha Long by: Brenda Lowry
I'm also researing Martha Long, Please email me at adunits@pair.com
Mary Whittington
2nd Great Granddaughter
Mary Whittington Anderson
adunits@pair.com
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